What's your thoughts on the new R6? They will include a QS for pre-pre-orders with 500.00 deposit currently. I think that should have been a factory option on my opinion, and why Nissin MC? Why not stay with Brembo?
The new one is nice, but in my opinion the best part of the new model is that it just made 08-16 race bikes a ton more affordable.
How so? Under the plastics and tank is the same bike. I can literally change parts from my 08 to the 17 model. TC, not really needed, ABS.. Meh. Drive modes... Really? I could swap the 17 model bodywork onto my bike with little modification. Now, if we are talking a whole different bike, i would agree with you (ala 09-12 675R vs. 13+ 675R) I like the new bike don't get me wrong, and I appreciate that Yamaha thought it through in terms of allowing teams/riders to still leverage the current platform, knowledge and parts for the 08-16's!!
Three reasons. 1. Whether you think it is a significant update or not, there will be racers on the current R6 that will dump their bike for a new R6 next year. That is only going to drive the price of the old gen down. 2. 99% of the bikes out there are in the hands of street riders. They don't care that the 08 is the fastest bike on the grid today. They care that the 2017 looks like an R1. They will be selling their bikes too. 3. The price of used bikes was artificially inflated since anything from 08 to current was the same as what was on the showroom. That isn't the case anymore. For what it's worth, my 07 R6 shares 95% of its parts with the 08-16. I paid $3k for my 07 race bike. The identically set up 08 would have cost me $6k. Generations matter.
So I can put the new bodywork on (requires the 17 subframe & maybe a fairing stay) and my bike will be worth even more?? Cool! LOL 06/07 had some pretty big flaws which is also part of the reason they sell for so little. Maybe not flaws that most street riders care about but still not the same platform of the 08+. We all chase the new shiny objects so I agree with the fact that people will want the new bike, but I disagree that it will drastically reduce the price of the previous gen more than normal (annual depreciation etc.). Time will tell; I do think it's funny that many are selling their R6's already for the new $12K R6
Wait, I missed this. I though they just had the it revs lower than advertised problem. I was looking for a 07-08 for a track bike. What do I need to look out for?
Some of the 06-07 motors had a bearing clearance issue and would blow up. If you find something that already has some track time on it and is still intact, you should be good. 08 got a different airbox/intake setup that makes significantly more midrange. The forks were lengthened slightly, and the front triple was changed. They removed a cross brace from the frame. The bodywork looks almost the same, but it isn't. The subframe is slightly different. The gas tank is slightly different. There are other trivial changes, but all the parts from 07 are interchangeable with 08...kind of like the 2017...
Personally, I love the traction control and ABS on it. Now that its becoming more standard less people can learn the hard way what a lowside from too much front brake feels like. Not the best way to test gear. The face is too transformers but then again I don't like the FZ-10, new FZ-09, and old Z1000 either. I'm all for symmetry but having my machines be anthropomorphic and angry hit my uncanny valley all wrong. I want a bike with the face of an old Miata. A big smile and a "happy to see you! lets go do things!" Tech wise the law of diminishing returns applies. compare to the 97 600's and there are huge differences. But unless we get the turbos we WERE PROMISED LAST YEAR KAWASAKI, I don't think anything til 2019 is really going to rattle the 600 class cage.
ineedanap covered it all. Now granted, you can retrofit an 08 engine into the 06/07 (08+ had wider crank bearing's) and better oiling. Also, you can modify the frame on the 06/07 to get better feel (they were too stiff) and install the 08+ forks which are 10mm longer than 06/07. OR - just buy an 08+ model... hahah
See, it sounds like you are already trying to sell your bike to him...to buy a 2017 I presume. I rest my case.
Hey, everything is for sale for a price!! LOL.. However, my next move would be a 675R IF I do decide to sell
Exactly! Well said. It was the same in 2013 with Kawasaki. Although the new 636 did have a different engine, for the most part it was the same bike. Many parts are directly compatible from the '09-'12 gen, yet the price on that gen dropped significantly, whereas the 2013-2016 ones are still going for around $7k-8k for a stock one and over $8k for a track-ready, mildly upgraded one. Meanwhile I got my '09 with all the bells and whistles with just over 3k miles for only $4000!
If the R6 was an R636 we'd be having a much different conversation. 09-12 & 13+ ZX6R may be partially the same bike but wait, more torque/Power electronic aids, different styling and an Xtra 36 cc's (cheater)! What?!?
Subjective opinion: Street trim, ugliest bike on the road. Race trim, very sexy. I do like the instument cluster, and turn signal mirrors. And only 100whp? These EPA rules are killing us middleweights. Glad my 675R has 114whp (well, not anymore). And yes, I know power isn't everything. More info: http://www.cycleworld.com/2017-yamaha-yzf-r6-new-motorcycle-first-look-aim-expo 100whp, 419lbs, $12,199
I think it's pretty easy to get rid of the EPA limitations and get 108 +- hp out of the bike. I agree with you on the styling. Not a fan.
The new R6 comes with that too except for the extra 36cc...still comes with new styling, power modes and other gizmos, TC, ABS, optional QS, etc. I just don't get why so many people keep saying it's the same bike only because the engine is the same. You rarely get an actual 100% new bike from scratch from any manufacturer. The last time I really saw that was with the Panigale in 2012. Most times, especially in the 600 class, you get the same as the previous gen with SOME changes. This is how it's been for a long time. Why the surprise now??
A motor with more CC's is HUGE IMO and would be welcome ! And how many people ride a 600 (or 1000) with the electronics turned way up? It's great to have though I will admit! I don't really think many are surprised by any means (I'm certainly not), but to say that the only thing that is the same on the bike is the motor, is incorrect.. I may be one of the few that like what Yamaha did for several reasons (as mentioned in my previous posts) like parts compatibility, and the fact that my current (now previous gen) bike is still relevant. Again, like I said, if the bike had an upgraded motor (triple, cross plane, or extra 36cc's) than we would be having a different conversation in terms of it being a ground breaking upgrade (like the current and previous gen ZX or 675). Yamaha, essentially did what Honda did with the 600RR (albeit with more technology - win Yamaha). It still is the same bike at it's core (frame, swingarm, wheels, engine), upgrade the suspension and it becomes even more alike... Based on what I read on other social media sites, I believe many are pissed because Yamaha teased with an ALL NEW campaign and they feel let down. I dig what was done, why mess with a winning platform that still sells This new bike makes me happy and disappointed at the same time. Lol. Happy that they updated it, disappointed in that it was not a vastly different machine. But I am more happy than anything else. The contradictory bike it is!!