16 r1 vs 16 zx10

The 2016 zx10 is a great bike. with either the R1 or the ZX10 I would recommend a 3/4 system and dyno tune/ecu unlock. That will fix almost any complaint on the ride by wire, hp, midrange, etc. Message me for any other info on the bikes. I will have a more in depth review after the April Barber event. If you are there catch me and I will be happy to discuss it with you.

Andrew

 

Andrew, If I see it at barber I'll probably come and look at it. I haven't seen one in person yet. I'm curious about rear tire consumption with 200 whp.

 

I know some of the R1 owners ride (and race) with the bike in Sport mode for that same very reason. Sport mode gives you the same peak HP as Race mode, but it softens the power delivery, especially on initial throttle application.

The right dyno tuner can also sort that out. I know most people are always worried about peak HP, but Livengood spends the majority of his dyno tuning time working on the first 25% of the throttle. All the peak HP in the world doesn't mean anything if you can't get the power down quickly and smoothly.

We thought we might have to use Sport mode on the 1299S for the same reason you mentioned, but he was able to use the RapidBike tuning model and really smoothed out the initial throttle application. So I leave it in Race mode all the time.

 

So when tuning a bike with multiple ride modes, do you tune for each mode? I would assume you want the best, smoothest, and most effective power delivery in all modes should you need it (rain, damp or dry).

 

You don't have to tune for each mode. The corrections to the Air/Fuel Ratio's you make will carry over regardless of what mode you are in. In other words, you don't have to dyno tune for Race mode, then swap to Rain mode and dyno tune again.

 

If the throttle responded like my Gixxer, I'd be all over it. I'd sure like a ride on one that had been tuned/corrected...But I'd say Yamaha needs to work on that aspect of the software so it's better out of the box...

 

mine is getting tuned per mode, on the zx10 kit box each mode is a different map, with different traction control settings, different engine braking settings & secondary throttle settings and each mode has 3 selections of t/c

 

See that's what I figured.. There has to be different map settings (fueling, TC, EB etc.) for each mode. It makes sense.

My ZX6R has no modes. My right hand has to be tuned I guess. Lol.

 

Now see, this is interesting. I am 99% positive Livengood didn't do 3 different dyno tunes for race fuel in all 3 modes.

On the 1299S, each mode has its own settings for Engine Braking, TC, WC, etc (but they are just default settings, you can adjust all of them). For example, when I swap to Sport mode, it automatically takes the Engine Braking to 2, takes the Wheelie Control to 5 and the Traction Control to 5. But those are just defaults, I can adjust them if I want. In Rain mode it takes the WC to 6 and the TC up to 8, I cant remember what it does to EB.

Power output (peak HP) is the same for Race and Sport, the only difference is that in Sport the throttle response is calmed down some. But that is achieved by the rate the Throttle Bodies open, it doesn't have anything to do with the Air Fuel Ratio or Ignition. So no additional dyno tuning is required.

So I cant see why a different dyno tune would be needed (unless the ZX is completely different than the Panigale). It doesn't really matter because I keep it in Race mode all the time, I just find this interesting.

 

My R6 has no modes either. But the right tuner makes a WORLD of difference.

When Livengood did the SBK engine build, he actually went in and reduced the power output for the first 10% of throttle application, that allows me to get on the gas earlier and harder. And it keeps the bike from stepping out as much because at 10% throttle I am still at full lean angle.

Then as I apply more throttle the bike is being lifted up off the side, so he increased the power that is available as the throttle % increases.

Most dyno tuners are worried about the final peak number...because that is all most riders care about. But having a bike properly tuned by somebody who also raced and understands how/where things need to work, it makes a world of difference.

 

I agree. I have always asked for a smooth power delivery over high peak power. I would have to find out exactly how the bike was tuned. Maybe a visit to Livengood's is in order

 

on mine the throttle by wire isn't there (like on the 2016) when i switch a mode its like flipping a map switch, so i can have a pump, race gas & then a detuned map for cold conditions etc.. the pani's electronics are a tad more sophisticated from the 11-15 zx10's. i'm sure that each map can do control throttle sensitivity but on mine we'd likely control it with the butterflies & not the throttle itself as we don't have the TBW. the wheelie control is adjustable as well on the 11-15's through the kit box