Rider weight is a sketchy area.... I only say this because at a decent pace for STT Advanced group, there are riders that out weigh other riders by 60-70 lbs, and the heavier rider can turn faster lap times on the same exact motorcycle! A debate is just that pros and cons from all sides, if you are trying to find out what you want to ride, test out some bikes if given the opportunity, your going to be the best person to make the final decision! My fav bikes to ride on full circuits: RS125 GP250 4S Super motard 500cc 2S SV650 675R Speed Triple R Fav bikes on kart tracks: CRF50 KTM65 12" wheels ANY 85cc 2S 12" wheels CRF150R on 17" wheels Just my personal likes.............
Brian you clearly have not spent time with a team that has had nothing but positive experiences with the 675R:fencing: Just saying............op: I did spend a bit of time with the AMA Triumph teams, I know info that the general public will never know. My point is that there is very little that needs to be done with the motor in a 675R.... It is a complete package from the factory and with the right bike tuners/builders its very very hard to beat dollar per dollar!
You are looking at this all wrong.... Its not "fat", I prefer "downforce" and I have a lot of it!!! :hungry: Think of the grip advantage!!!! ound:
Well... Yeah. Not trying to put you down, but 90 lbs compared to the actual difference of 15 lbs from the same year is a big difference that should be clarified. At the time I figured my '06 could not have gained 75 lbs over the facelift they did.
I have almost 5k track/race-only miles on my 675 on the same motor (SS built at that) with no issues. It has been handed over to Lora and now she is riding it on the track. Mark Sheldon put thousands of track miles on his '06 675 on the same motor. The 675's are not the time bomb's you are making them out to be...unless you build the shit out of them and then try to rev them to 16k. And the bikes that are finishing in the top 10 at the AMA level have absolutely nothing to do with somebody's choice as a track day bike. To answer the guy's question after having owned a 675 and two ZX6R's, I would say 675 all day long. With that being said, i am obviously basing my opinion on the previous/current generation bikes. I have never owned a 2013 675 nor ZX.
Brian, I agree with everything you said. For every motor that has popped, there will be 2 that lasted forever. It is just like the Ford vs Chevy discussions. There are good and bad with all of them. And i can assure you, i am not brand biased. The people that know me can confirm that. I buy whatever bike suits my purpose and mood at the time. The brand is irrelevant. I have owned bikes from every major brand except Honda, of varying sizes and years. There wasn't 1oz. of brand loyalty in any of those purchase decisions. My comment about the 675 is based upon doing track days and racing on both a 675 and a ZX6R in stock form...and also when fully race prepped. The 675 had better brakes...MUCH better. I raced at the GNF in '10 on a 675 with a bone stock braking system...pads and all (non-R version). Actually the bike was completely stock other than a slip-on pipe, rear shock, bodywork and race tires. The OEM suspension was/is also very good...even on the base model. I also found the ergonomics and ground clearance more confidence inspiring. The 675 transmission shifted much smoother and the low/mid-range torque is great. Not to mention for an extra $1,500-ish, you can get full Ohlins suspension, Brembo Calipers and a Quickshifter. Stock for stock...i feel the 675 is a better overall package. In race trim, with the right parts, they are obviously both very capable of winning races. Reliability?...flip a coin. But like i said previously, i have not ridden a 2013 version of either bike. My comments are based upon my experience with the current-ish version.
No he does need it....He's just a old Bastard with bum knees now.. Put some Booze in him and no damned way he can stand up oin his own..... and Im not kidding... He just needs to show up to the track more.... Bad knees or good..... Shakey Shakey!!:cheers::woot:
Hey man.... no worries.... you certainly didn't offend me and I could give a shit if you offended anyone else. You are correct... I should have thrown in a couple of similes I suppose.... I just never know which ones to use.... :sorry::amen::wtf: :cheer: Anyway... I've known TDub for quite a while and he's all good in my book.. he can poke at me whenever he wants and I'll poke back at him whenever I want. It makes me really happy STT can be involved with people like him and we can all see first hand a young rider like Jake develop into what he has become so far and beyond. It's awesome. As for STT's involvement with Triumph and that creating any personal bias towards them, I think that's just a by-product of the fact that they are around (the owner of STT campaigning one in AMA this year for instance) and therefore people here have first hand experience with them. I think that's going to be the case with any bike. I certainly hope that STT continues it's involvement with Triumph over the long term - they seem to be an awesome bunch of guys from the people I've met. I suppose considering I'm riding an almost decade old Ducati at the track shows that I have not received MY 675r yet.... yes.... I would love to have one... but Triumph Santa has not stopped by..... I dunno.... I think I might give up this directing thing.... it's a LOT of work.... it would give me time to paste a yellow plate on the Ducati and maybe go race AHRMA next year or something.... I think I could at least not come in last. So, getting back on topic.... having ridden a variety of bikes on the track (as some have pointed out... I have NEVER raced a bike, but we're not talking racing here - we're talking trackdays)... I would have to say that riding a 1000 stunted my learning on the track, and that riding an under-powered v-twin has improved it over the last season. We are all here to have fun. Yes, we want to learn to be better riders and improve.... but for most of us, an AMA or GP ride is not in the works.... we are doing this for FUN. So, with that said.... why not ride what suits you or what you want to ride? Basic research on ANY trackday forum will tell you pretty quickly that a smaller bike will teach corner entry speed, mid corner speed.... getting on the gas sooner, etc. and that a 1000 will make an inexperienced rider "lazy". Want to really make a 1000 work? How fast does your brain work? All of these things that are "easier" (is any of this easy?) on a 600 (for instance, picking up the throttle off a corner as you take away lean angle) require FAR more attention on a 1000. On the 1000 you do get the kick in the pants down the straight.... on a 600, you have to work for the straight line speed more (as in you need to be carrying it out of the corner). Hell.... my wife's 125 is fun. I do take that out from time to time (just to check the jetting of course......) :wheel: t