that was a lot of fun, but yikes could there have been more people in the novice class or WHAT!!!! Also mike was great all the other coaches great and the new coach John?? great too! luch was great weather great what a difference from homestead, but it was my second track time EVER and even though i thought the track was roughfer/harder and narower I felt a lot more comfortable on the bike, guees that's how it works. BTW does anyone know how many people went down before lunch. I had a question about a turn that was giving me a hard time but with no reference diagem on the site how can i figure out the turn number.
i wish i could post images on here then id point to it but it was the big turn out on the north side of the track at the exit i literaly would get so close to the edge by the grass it was fraking me out i could not get the right exit out of there
if its the final right hander, before the bust stop its because ur starting the turn to far inside, as u accelerate mid corner it starts to reduce its radius at its exit, the best way i could do it is go in late, and stay on the outside of all the shitty pavement rather then the inside, then work ur way to the apex as u exit u should STILL get a drive that shoots u a bit near the grass, ull get it on january, it shouldnt be a problem unless u over shoot it.
yeah thats the turn , I think i tried that but almost every time as i was accelerating out i was allways getting to close to the edge, and if i tried to adjust id get the wobelies. sounds like that is the way it has to be though, it just felt to close for comfort, if they had 5' more feet of trac lip there i would of been golden
are you dragging your knee at all on this corner? if not, u still got alot more lean angle to compensate for going wide. just remember it tightens so if ur not used to dragging ur right knee, make sure u dont feel the pavement untill it tightens any earlyer and im not sure how much lean angle ull have left over, use that as a guide for ur next line.
drag a knee, HA! my pucks still look new, even though i think im leaning over a lot i must need to grow a pair cause that has not happened yet im definately feeling a lot more comfortable on the track but still worried about the stock street tires holding, plus the bumps around that turn make me feel like the tires may bee loosing grip (probably just in my head) u have very good ideas ill try them out next month for sure, i also have o work on holding my position through the turn and not to try to adjust my body, im great though 80% of the turn, its the last 20% i need to work on. im going to ask an instructor to follow me through that turn next time
i kindda went over board at moroso, it ripped through my pants now i got a hole in them.. this crap just keeps getting more and more expensive.
It was another great STT day, as always! Thanks to Mark and all your Guys and Gals!! I'm already signed up for the 20 Jan 08. I have been reading the post with this thread. at Roebling road i had no problem knee dragging in turns 1,2 & 6 but at Moroso i just dont get it down, (nearly). Im sure im not quite hanging off enough but looking at pics of me at Roebling i was?? and maybe as you said its the track surface that doesent give the same grip as Roebling (in my head anyway). I know both these tacks are different in the type of surface. I should be able to ride equally on Moroso too! any thoughts?? :roll:
Long time reader, first time poster. Glad to finally make it. Moroso was my second track day ever and I had a lot of fun. I think what makes this track really difficult is the lack of 'outside' berms on turns 1 and 8. The track just drops off and it's hard not to fixate on that. The surface is rough on tires but I think there's plenty of traction as long as your suspension is set up right (which I need to have done soon) I was one of the lucky few that had no 'downs' all day long BUT I embarrassed myself as soon as Mike set me free in the 3rd heat.. lol.. He waved me around on the pit stretch and I opened it up into turns 10 and 1 and immediately went wide and off the track. *chuckle* no biggie, rode right back onto the course (after shoulder checking, of course) and enjoyed the rest of my day. Big thanks to Mark, and all the Southern STT team! -brady
I agree you dont have to get the knee down every corner, but i think i need to work on my riding position so i am consistent, thats what i am aiming for.
for some reason it seemed easier to get my knee closer to the ground at homestead but what do i know. BTW do any of you guys wonder why the coaches never post on here? ... is it just me. also i tried to register for moroso on the 20th and my browser gave me a message that the site was not secure, this did not happen to me on the last two track day orders... anyone else experience this. also a redundant question... im ryding pilot powers should i be worried or go to CT2 soon or are these tires good enough for novice... to get to the point can you drag a knee safely with these tires without loosing it??
work on the basics, throttle control, lines, braking, etc. - the knee dragging will come, don't force it. edit: i'm not a coach or even that talented of a rider - just my .02
The coaches post on here from time to time... they're coaches on the weekend with full time jobs through the week. If you need a specific answer from a coach, simply direct your question to a coach and I'm sure it'll be answered as promptly as possible. For the most part, this is a site for STT members and track day enthusiasts. I'm riding battleaxes and I've been told that the bike will hold if I trust them. I push them a little more every time I hit the track and they do just fine. I'm not going to pull off any 60% leans or anything, but plenty low enough to scrap knee if I feel the need to. What is it about scraping knee that seems to make it your ultimate goal?
thanks guys good insight. no rush or time goal about scraping the knee, i think its like doing anything :wink: for the "first time" lot of hype till u do it then after that its not as important as having a quality experience. no disrespect to the coaches at all, i just figured they would be lurking around. I love forums like this as they are very helpfull, just amazed for the amount of people that went to moroso only half a dozen people are chatting about it . i honestly have little desire to go on the street now, all i can think about is getting better on the track. Dont want to push the learnign curve either... i like my bike too much it and took me too many years to get the nerve to get it so i have no desire to trash it cause im rushing. but i tried a lot of things on this track which im not sure are right, but maybe they feel right for my level. for example: 1. do all my braking before I start the turn and then live with the speed. im certain people brake into the turn but for me it was one less thing to think about. 2.wow, after you break and comit to the turn, you can almost accelerate smoothly throguh the ENTIRE turn without it having any adverse effect to your line
You've got the right idea about taking it one step at a time. The more seat time you get, the more fluid things will feel. Slick's signature sums it up. "If you're not willing to dump it, don't bring it". At some point on the track, your confidence is going to exceed your ability. Your concern for keeping your baby in pristine condition is admirable. I'm of the same mindset with my 750, which is why I'm currently shopping around for a good track bike.. one maybe 3 or 4 years old. I see them pop up for 2500 - 4000 dollars all day long. It's a good investment if you're considering frequent track days and working on getting that knee down. Also, I agree completely about how the desire to ride on the street dwindles as you hit the track.
I had no problem signing up for the next Moroso, maybe its your PC, if you still have a problem then you can always phone STT to book. I ride with Pilot Power Sport, lots of grip, for me anyway, maybe you should check what tire pressures you are running.
paul my browser allowed me to proceed with the transaction but gave me a warning that the connection may not be fully secure and that STT had not updated their security certificate, i assume some browsers check for those thing. either way i called it in and feel much better now i agree i would not be on the track if i did know believe that one day it will most likel not hold.... other wise the bike would stay in the garrage and that defeats the pupose. but i think by being cautios i can prolong the inevitable. even though my dealer wants to sell me track tires, ive been told the the tires that come on the DUC are plenty good, just being cautious i guess.
I haven't ridden Moroso (yet), but I can say the 2CTs are decent on the track, if you're not a hard rider. A friend shagged her 2CTs pretty well running in Int (with Advanced times) after a weekend but the husband's 2CTs held up fine that same weekend in Novice (he's ready to move to Int). I do know that I can drag my exhaust on regular Pilot Powers :shock: (and before someone scolds me, I know it's not good - gotta get my butt off the seat even more!) The biggest thing is working on yourself first. Get comfortable moving around and off of the bike, holding a consistent line, and just being smooth overall. The knee touching down will come when you stop thinking about it (at least it did for me ) I'd DEFINITELY tap an instructor on the shoulder next time you're there and have them help you out with your troublesome corner. That's what they're there for.