Pics get better as the thread goes.... http://www.sttforum.com/showthread.php?t=8401&highlight=Trophy
I agree. I suppose what I'm getting at is you cannot accurately screen the advanced group, when the I group is full. And you can't minimize incidents in the I group, when the track is full. My view is the days sell out already. Raising the price slightly won't change that. I'd pay a few more bucks to get added quality laps. Do many people run the full 20 minutes in every session as it is? I don't think so. Are 100 minutes of busy track time better than say 75 minutes of clear track time? To me, yes. To others, possibly not. I'm a racer, so my point of view is easy to dismiss, but I wouldn't have suggested it, had I not heard it from non-racers as well. If you want to minimize crashes, and maximize the customers' experience (without sacrificing profit margins), those are two viable options to achieve that goal. Otherwise, just understand what you're getting with the bigger numbers. I realize going into a trackday what it's going to be. I just add a few more splits to my laptimer and work on sectors. And I usually sit out a session and wait until the end of the day when the track clears up. Overall, it's still an extremely well-run event that STT puts on, especially at a facility like Barber.
I knew what you meant. And to add to what you were saying, I usually come in a few laps early because I feel my concentration lapsing, or I end up using hot pit to gain some open track. Either way, a smaller group on track for 15 minutes equates to the same thing. If I were paying more for it, there might need to be a few additional benefits. More coaching, more classroom perhaps, although I don't always take advantage of the I classroom as it is... One thing that occurs to me is that perhaps simply additional reminders to use hot pit might alleviate some red flags. When someone finds themselves frustrated or considering sketchy passe this is often the ideal solution.
Is it THAT big of an issue that STT should actually consider shortening session time, increasing cost, AND limiting he amount of riders? I mean, if the issue is that "red flags cost track time" it seems odd to want to solve that by......taking away track time. We are loosing track time so we should shorten the track time to lose less track time! :wtf: Or am i missing something here? Dont get me wrong, its awesome to have a long thread with everyone talking, but it seems like people are willing to use a baseball bat to kill a fly.
Is there a consensus on what a rider should know/be familiar with/etc before they are promoted from N to I? Do the coaches agree on what those are? I'm mostly curious as an N rider with aspirations of I... (and up)
Might want to do searches on how to get the bump.....there are lots of those conversations floating around.
I have bumped more people to I on my own than I have been asked to evaluate... Bottom line is if your fast... know the fundamentals and hold lines your ready.... Note you will be getting passed at a higher rate with the cherry Pickers remaining in I however if you ride with a faster group you will become a faster rider... As of the I group I feel that probally 60% of the people last weekend never sat in a Novice class at all.. I saw several riders looking behind them every turn.... Not getting off the seats and riding duckfoot.... All of these things are covered in the N group and enforced during the whole weekend...
just remember people... if they were to split the I group into 2 groups, there would be double the chance of an I incident, and longer times with no one able to get on the track... and less track time for all. the problem won't eliviate itself. Ski
How about the back on instructors jerseys read "If you THINK you can....YOU CAN'T" Figured I would stop in for a smart comment today. Mega Thread continue as planned.
This is the first October I have missed since '05 as I was in Indy racing the dog (1st, last, 2nd, 2nd and knocked out of the finals in the last race) so this could be wrong. But I suspect Sam it was the usual October reasons. October there is a ton of people that migrate down from the north for the last ride of the year. Nothing wrong with that but it introduces a large number of people that either don't know the track or know it less (just as if I headed north). Add in that it is Barber and people are WAY keyed up. Now a group of intermediate people is the least predictable on a good day but now they are keyed up and less sure of lines. Thus in my experience you get a wild Saturday and things settle on Sunday as people learn the track and settle. This seems to occur less in novice and while it occurs in advanced the biggest issue is weird lines at times and most learn fast and even on weird lines are predictable (they are advanced). So in short it sounds somewhat typical and I doubt you can do a ton to change it that is reasonable other than give people a warning/talking to which I am sure happened. Well or banning yankees :fencing: (jk by the way) I missed it the last couple of years but the one in November with that other group is even worse. Same issues but it has typically cooled even more at night so you get some cold tire issues from the locals who are not as used to it (this problem is locals not imports as you fools ride in snow ound Also it is more likely to rain that the Sept/Oct days.
WOW! really? If a red comes out a bit quick that might have been wasted is that not a 1000 times better than not throwing one and taking out someone else or even worse slowing needed medical care? Personally I am not important enough that my track time ranks above the chance of either of those events. I can understand why not but I am even for running ambulance flags if needed (especially in "A" which would be less affected by it). Oh and I mean ambulance flags IN ADDITION to the red not instead of it
honestly i think this thread as many ppl do in track riding, is way too far over thought, somethings in this sport are "THAT SIMPLE" none are too complex, its just a matter of putting together the pieces which aren't very small. here is what i like to call traffic, count the # of bikes if you can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYn1BSICRTk&feature=share&list=UUHmGQQVIk8hFDRk5Xgw-TWg