Two bikes trade paint at the track...then what?

Just close your eyes, it'll only hurt for a moment. LOL.

 

Just expect it... You need to ride on the track just like its the street and expect the unexpected . I just ride like I am invisible...and try not to leave room on the inside of turns.. It never works when Dave Grey and Jake Lewis are present..lol

 

Depending if you are the giver or the receiver, you might want to keep your helmet on around the other rider in the paddock. (Reference to a scene from hitting the apex film)

 

depends on the situation.. was the person being blatantly ignorant or reckless while riding? who's to say they were? had that person be warned previously for their riding EG that day or previous days? those weigh in on consequences IF any at all...
generally its a simple (yet unfortunate) mistake.. an in that regard.. sorry about every ones luck...

from a rider to rider aspect.. well the right thing is to own it.. go over and talk to the person. but if the person you hit says GTFO or I don't wanna talk.. then just apologize and walk away till cooled down..

it is a possibility at any trackday / Race. we all do our best but mistakes happen

 

I got taken out last year, broken collar bone. Nothing a plate and some screws couldn't fix. Now I have another friend at the track, he is a great guy and no harm was intended. I figure shit happens and It's worth all the fun. I mean We are ripping around a track dragging a knee... what could possibly go wrong. I was told in the beginning It's not if, it's when. Can't wait for next year!!

 

As Marc and Jason have pointed out - these things will happen.

If you cause a crash - I will kindly ask you pack up and leave the premises. I generally don't make a big deal of this. If it is a serious incident, you may be banned from STT for life. If you do not leave when I tell you, the county sheriff will be called and you will be escorted off the property and charged with trespass. I have never had to do that. I've been told that when I'm pissed, I'm generally pretty persuasive.....

If you are the victim of someone's actions - my first response will be an apology, then I want information, so that I may deal with the situation. I will generally get back to you and let you know how I dealt with the other party. If they were the cause, see above.....

The third (and very difficult) situation is one where there is no clear cause - each party will say the other is at fault. Now I have to investigate and try to figure out what happened, and deal with the situation appropriately. These are the hard ones. I have been called spineless, a piece of sh*t, and probably a lot of other things, when people don't get what they want. It can get ugly, very, very, ugly. In any case, I always try to asses the situation for what it is and resolve it intelligently.

As a director of an event - this is probably one of the hardest things to deal with.

t

 

Is that sarcasm? Seriously I dont know. I can absolutely see if it was intentional (which im assuming has never happened or will) but anyone that causes a accident is asked to leave?

I was always under the impression if you cause an accident it sucks but thats it. Theres always that risk at a trackday but you accept that risk getting on the track. Asides from a unusual incident that is

 

Absolutely not.

 

SO if you have a mechanical fault, radiator blew. It blows water wetter on the track, you wreck along with the guy behind you.
Your asked to leave.

 

Absolutely not.

Again - every situation is different, and a lot of it falls under "shit happens".

But if a person is CLEARLY at fault - yes, they will leave.

 

I can't imagine that STT would ask someone to leave the event if it was not intentional.

Your leaned over in a turn, you low side. ....your bike takes another bike with it. Ish happens. ...
It's clearly part of the sport.
It's mentioned during every rider meet i have ever attended. "What's the safer pass? The outside. ..because if you pass on the inside and loose it. ..you will potentially take someone out with you. " and during these safety meetings. ...it isn't Said that if you unintentionally make a rider fall off, you will be ejected from the track/ event.

Now. ...if you made any type of pass. ..and it was already questionable..and you take someone out. .I could see how that could cause some serious issues.

Just my .02

 

Can I add one more Q to this? What is the protocol on cost of damages while at the track? Either the "shit happens" or "clearly at fault" case. Hopefully none of us have to worry about being the "clearly at fault" but could possibly be the cause of "shit happens" or a victim of "clearly at fault", is it expected to offer to help or to be offered help for repairs/medical?

 

This is why its a good idea to have a gopro. Evidence.
T can simply look at both videos and asess who is at fault.

 

This is just my .02, I'm just another track day rider, not a staff person. You are participating in something that has a risk factor and you're willing to take the risk vs reward, you signed the waiver. If someone accidentally takes you out, an apology is in order but they shouldn't be asked to leave nor should they be held responsible to compensate you. When I say accidentally, I mean they weren't taking unnecessary risk or had a mechanical failure, basically something that they had no control or choice over. If a rider is deemed to be at fault because of taking unnecessary risk, now we have to split hairs. Did the rider intentionally take you out? Most likely not. Do they owe an apology? Absolutely and they should also be done for the day. Do they owe you compensation? Again, just my .02, I believe you'd have to prove in a court of law that they intended to take you out to be entitled to compensation and while STT may ban someone, they are not the law and don't make that decision. Small claims court and you better have more than video that it was their fault, you'll need to prove motive. I hope this never happens to anybody is my final thought! Ride smart and safe!

 

If this is what track days have become, I really need to rethink my participation.

Personally, I think STT coaching does a good job policing poor riders...and the crashes that happen are just part of track riding. Just may 2 cents.

 

Thanks.... And I agree 100%... Our weekends are getting better and better... Less issues and Rossi wannabes on course Month after Month.. I did have to ask a couple people to tone it down in I this weekend due to a couple passing complaints but that's common at Tally from a spooking scenario on a tight track.. Our coaches have a lot on their table... From Tech to Classroom.. On track fundamentals and instruction.. They have all earned their keep and policing people is the negative part of their job.... Things happen because no one can control stupid... Just remember.... It is YOUR responsibility to make a clean safe pass in all groups and by the rules too... If you take the person out doing it your day is done.... If you think different and don't think it's fair I would love to hear the reason...

 

That's between you and your Insurance company..... Now of someone is riding your bike you need to make arrangements up front from a person to person deal... Personally if I took someone out I would help get their bike back to spec... That's just me... Is it required? Absolutely not... Again Mario expect the unexpected.. It will happen..

 

I remember the days When you made a person choke on their teeth if the intentionally tokk some one out, or was just being a total asshat. But those days are long gone, sadly.
I completely agree with ineedanap. We doing need personal video recorders, paid professional witnesses, snitches, etc. If someone intentionally took you out, I'm more than willing to bet you are not 100% innocent either. Just saying. As said before, risk, reward, etc. If the possibility of falling off you bike is not acceptable, sell your crap and take up scrabble.

 

This is always a touchy subject and T saying you will be asked to leave will be the worse case IMHO... If your in a corner and low side... That's track riding... Say your the guy that got taken out... Were you in "I", were you obeying the 6' rule? There are lots of situations that can come up.... If your the guy hanging your leg off of your liter bike with chrome wheels making shitty passes because you want the track day trophy and you wipe a guy out from behind... You deserve to leave.... If your the guy trying to learn this sport and make honest mistake... we are going to pick you both up, dust you both off, and do everything we can to get you both back out there. Like everything in life, Honesty and attitude play a key role in how you get treated.

We all make mistakes.. I made a mistake and caused a guy to go off track... I found him, gave him my apology and asked if I could do anything to help him get his bike back on track... he replied with a thank-you and said... you made a mistake and I should have been better prepared to react to your error and we rode the rest of the 3 day weekend...

Honesty, attitude, own your mistakes.