Went down for the first time.....

Discussion in 'STT Southern' started by Scarpino1, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. Scarpino1

    Scarpino1 n00b

    That's real! :thumb:
     
  2. lostinbama

    lostinbama STT Staff STT Staff

    Fantastic post!!! :amen:
     
  3. Lobster

    Lobster Putt Crew

    I saw them pulling the bike in after the accident. I'm glad you're ok. That's the important part.

    Metzeler's are great tires. Certainly not the greatest tires but surely enough for a fast I pace. As stated above, when people do down, its easier to blame the bike but I've seen guys on touring tires run a fast I pace through smoothness and great lines.

    Hope to see you back out there!

    Cheers!
     
  4. Toddgotfish

    Toddgotfish Rides with no training wheels

    We're trailing into T2? How was the level in your front master reservoir? Just another thing to check. Too much fluid in the from reservoir can do some bad things to your front brakes
     
  5. CBR Crazy

    CBR Crazy Rides with no training wheels

    I was out there in A group sunday on the Duc 1198, yep the one that was pushing his bike back to the pits after it made some really expensive sounds on track. Well as bad as crashing and blown motors suck it is all a learning process. I have learned that Talli has it out for me and this bike. Hahaha... Glad to see you were good and safe, bikes can be rebuilt.
     
  6. lostinbama

    lostinbama STT Staff STT Staff

    If I remember right, it was still damp that morning on the inside of 2...
     
  7. Lobster

    Lobster Putt Crew

    So what was the verdict?

    I was the scrawny Asian guy who was pitted across from you and offered you a hand in pushing it.....


    .....not that I would have helped much due to aforementioned scrawny-ness.
     
  8. CBR Crazy

    CBR Crazy Rides with no training wheels

    Not sure yet, going to start the tear down tonight. I am praying that it is something in the trans, the thing was having false neutrals all day going into 4th. Thanks for the offer, would have used ya fo sho if my buddy wouldnt have been so close coming to help. I am pretty sure I am done with Talli, the last time I went the front brake locked as I was turning into my pit area and put me on my head.
     
  9. JRA

    JRA n00b

    Scarpino1. This is probably the best advice you are ever going to get. This might sound harsh, but short of a blowout it's not ever the tires fault. What you've gained from this is an important lesson about feel. Tearing up your bike and body always sucks but you can learn something from every experience good or bad. Learning by crashing isn't the preferred way, but it can shorten the learning curve.
     
  10. Whitney Arnold

    Whitney Arnold Run it wide. The grass is a safe place.

    I remember my "first time"! It is always in the back of my mind, like it was yesterday. She only cost me about $300 bucks. At one point in time we were just laying there, side - by - side. It was so beautiful!

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  11. Scarpino1

    Scarpino1 n00b

    It was a hard lessoned learned for sure! But like you said.....its not the preferred way......but it sure does shorten the learning curve. :pound:

    After everything is rebuilt/ replaced.....& suspension looked at/ tweeked

    its back to the track for some shack down passes.
     
  12. Scarpino1

    Scarpino1 n00b




    :grouphug:
     
  13. tnskydivr

    tnskydivr Shut up and Jump! STT Staff

    Pain is a cruel, but effective teacher....
     
  14. rjking

    rjking n00b

    "Front end kept wanting to tuck on me and I was really having to push the bars to maintain my lean...... "

    So..do you mean the front was trying to tuck, (wheel turning toward the inside of the turn) and you had to counter steer it to keep it up? If that is so it sounds like a problem with too little trail in the front. Losing the front is always a frustrating experience and I have a wealth of experience doing it as I have lost the front at Barber in almost every turn out there! :lmao: I have no idea what your problem was but I can tell you that my extensive crashing experience has yielded the following:

    On a high torque bike like a twin if your front end rebound is too slow and your rear compression is too soft if you give it lots of gas at the apex of a big sweeping corner leaned way over the weight will transfer off the front faster than the tire can stand and you will loose traction and crash. I did this twice before I figured this out!

    In a high speed corner leaned way over if you suddenly decide to do ANYTHING different, like decide to tighten your line and add gas at the same time..at the edge of traction anything you do that screws with the contact patch of the front tire is a bad thing!

    In a high speed corner do NOT try to make up time half way into the corner by picking up your knee and dragging elbows to try to make up time! In fact NEVER try to make up time in a corner..make up time on the brakes going into a corner!

    The issue with me was that every time I tried to do something different once I had committed to a line in a corner or a speed in a corner I was losing the front. I am old and I don't bounce good any more so my self survival technique is to pick a reference..my knee in my case and never go faster in a corner than my body position and knee lets me..and never make big changes to my initial line once entering the corner..and be smoooooth on adding gas in a corner..and use best tires I can get..and make sure they are hot! Good luck and I hope you figure it out!

    R J King
     

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