Ok here is the deal first and foremost i am interested to see your comments and speculations on what may or may not happen or your personal experiance with these tires! THE BIKE IS A 2006 CBR 600RR AND I AM 6'5" 250LBS the bikes condition is fair and with minimal bolt on modifications 1. Observation a. I have yet to find definitive feedback on the comparison or a review itself on these tires namely the michelins and the shinko SLICKS. there have been pros and cons for there previous model tires but none for the new shinko 008 road race slick! b. My personal experiance with shinko brand has been up and down the major benefits of these tires is of course COST! c. I have already noticed the differances in the tires the chemistry in the rubber and the mold or "contour" or the tires are much like the michelin prc's or race tires! d. PRICE .... POWER ONE COMBO FOR FRONT AND BACK 269.95$ ....source is http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=6804 008 road race shinko slicks are 201.98$ source is .... http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/394/6208/ITEM/Shinko-Road-Race-Slick-Front-Tire.aspx these prices are including shipping and subject to change! 2. THE QUESTION a. Will this tire hold up and perform to said abilities close or above the perfomances of the michelin power one combo? b. Will the life of the tire or wear be able to sustain performance like the michelin power on combo? c. Will it be cost effective to run the shinko's compared to the michelin power one combo? 3. HYPOTHESIS a. My theory is that the shinko tires will perform for at least on full track day and be able to consistantly produce numbers equal to or greater than the michelin power one combo 4. My method and control of testing a. controlled conditions i.e dry track same track for both test b. same or relative temperature for date of testing c. same tire pressures and sizes with tire warmers d. I will take before and after temps of tires on and off sessions e. LAST BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THE SAME MOTORCYCLE WITH THE SAME RIDER WITH NO ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS the obvious is to do a proper review of these tires for future inquires and to produce a well written and almost scientific way of comparing the two tires! i.e the reason why im doing this in a science style format! i will be attending two trackdays at a track that i know very well and have ridden on michelin power race and power ones numerous times within weeks of each other! The obvious does not elude me i know im comparing apples and oranges here... comparing a D.O.T MICHELIN to a primarily race SHINKO but the fact there lies if i did compare a MICHELIN RACE combo the price would only raise to WELL OVER 400$ :shock: :shock: tire sizes are 120/70/17 and 190/50/17 wish me luck i will report my results in ruffly a months time as i am preping my bike for this season adding some modifications! [/url]
NO, NO, NO, NO!!! Shinko's are not even remotely suitable for roadracing or trackdays. Not at all! They may be fine, and are often used in drag racing, but based on numerous reports I've read and heard first hand and a multitude of crashes that I've personally witnessed, they are no good on a road race track. Return them if you can, or put them on ebay and sell them, but I certainly wouldn't recommend them for the track. ymmv.
Good God!!! Look at the profile on that shinko front! :shock: :shock: :shock: I would guess extremely unstable at high speeds. Would a peaky profile like that make it hard to go from full lean to straight up? I can't see going from full left to full right, vice-versa, being a smooth, flowing, predictable experience either.
now those are assumptions that i have heard online and through other resources but the truth be said this is the first time they have produced the race slicks so there are no previous arguments on these actuall tires now i would agree with other styles of shinkos but once again this raises the question HOW BAD CAN A SLICK BE? no the profile of the tire is not that much difference of the michelin race the pr4's i belive? i have had plenty of both and they seem to be close to the same you can see the difference is obvious to the power one but in my opinion the power race were excellent not quite and easy on turn in like the power one's!
Tomahawks make slicks, too- how bad can they be? you can even get them to match the color of your powerbands. look at it this way: Michelin has many years of developing tires for use on the race track and has demonstrated this experience dominating Motogp Racing for many years and recently has had this tech trickle down via us clubracing and various euro national championship series, into the Power One tire. Dunlop has many years of developing tires for use on the race track and has demonstrated this experience dominating AMA racing and is well represented by the D209 & D211 tire series Pirelli has many years of developing tires for use on the race track and has demonstrated this experience dominating World Superbike & the Canadian superbike, as well as having this tech trickle down via us clubracing and various euro national championship series and their Supercorsas are the proven result Bridgestone has many years of developing tires for use on the race track and has demonstrated this experience as the official tire of MotoGP with a resultant spillover into WERA and CCS Racing, here in the US, as well as the Japanese superbike championship. Their 003's are very popular with racers & trackday guys alike. Continental has many years of developing tires for use on the race track and has demonstrated this experience in several European championship series. The Conti RaceAttack series was well represented at the IOM TT & many racers here in the US, are switching to them as well. And even Maxxis (AKA Cheng Shin) has fielded a race team In BSB and previously in AMA with a team consisting of Mark Crozier and Billy Ethridge. Maxxis tires were even positively reviewed at Trackdaymag.com a while back. How about shinko? What championships do they race in? What racers do they sponsor? You mention reading a lot of the same negative info that I have (or so I assume) yet you still bought them? the link you provided describes them as If that's not damning with faint praise, I don't know what is. Shinko's own website describes them as Shinko says nothing about how they'll perform on a road race track. Tires are the main thing, other than you, the rider, that will keep you from becoming road pizza and your bike from becoming a yard sale at the apex of turn one. They're relatively cheap insurance compared to the cost of bike repairs and hospital bills. That said, if you feel you have the experience and skill to give these tires a proper test, go for it. From my perspective, having written about and objectively tested moto bits for the past few years as well as a couple seasons of coaching, I wouldn't test those shinko's on your bike, even if you said it was ok to crash. They're not called "Stinko's" for nothing, you know. Here's my prediction for your test; you will have at least one of the following results: A. You will crash. B. You will soil your leathers from almost crashing. who knows, I might be wrong and you'll be the first rider to utilize the full potential of these greasy buns and you'll break Robbie Jenson or whomever's lap record. ymmv. Good luck! [/img]
now thats the positive thinking i was looking for... lol no i am not a professional racer by any means however i am a seasoned track junkie who have for these test purposes know this track very very well so i belive i can get a good "feel" for the way the tires perform! *** above stated that i will run the same tire pressure will only be the same if i see fit so the pressures will be recorded and listed on here**** As stated above shinko's website did list that they would be great for there drag race enthusiast however shinko makes two types of slicks not listed on there site one being what i have and the other being mainly use for the strip however i took this into consideration and talked to shinko represenative and the dealer and everyone said the same that these tires were designed for the track day enthusiast! I understand that these tires dont have the trophies or the history to back them up but does that single handedly single them out? now this is why i figure controlled conditions would be excellent so not doing this test on back streets but a track that i know well and for that matter i may actually step all the way down to street or novice class just so i can get a good feel for them without being "ran over" THE TRUTH IS that no one has feedback on these actuall tires and i am showing proof on paper and my data will show these results! Can you blame me for testing these tires? but all critisim and feedback is welcomed guys i dont mind the negatives on the tires i knew that was coming as soon as i stated shinko lol so its ok!
SURE THING BUT NEWS OR AN UPDATE IF YOU WILL!!!! the shinko tires that i recieved and the tires that are listed on there site our zr rated meaning 150+mph but the ones i have the rating on the side wall is R rating which is top 105mph which is not suitable for our type of track riding and definately not for the tracks i ride so i need to find out whats going on if they gave me the wrong tires or if there website is off.... currently im waiting for some info on whats going on but this test may have failed before even taking flight because ill risk riding on the tires but the safety has to be my first concern!
UPDATE!!!!!!! I have just heard back from the shinko represenative stating that clearly on the side of the tire there is a V rating there is not a V rating but even if i take his word a V rated tire is 150mph top speed that is unacceptable and could cause serious problems!!! :x :x For shinko to even list them as a road race tire is unbelievable and will get someone extremely hurt! SO i conclude with saying i am returning these tires for a full refund or maybe ill spend it on something else but none the less my CONCLUSION is DO NOT RUN THESE TIRES SHORT OF MAX SPEED 90MPH OTHERWISE YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE!!!!! ....michelins it is then!
Just to be anti-establishment and keep the hollering alive, I ran a shinko 005 rear tire at Road Atlanta last year as a novice on my TT600. I managed 138 top speed on the back straight. :twisted:
lol shinko let me down i was hoping to prove to the nay sayers that you could but well i well...........epic failed!!!! some of shinko stuff is zr rated but im not going to run anything short of a slick from them so oh well i guess! :roll: :roll:
It was at least worth a shot. Though you were putting a lot on the line to test these tires it sounds like. Life, bike, pride. Tires are the one thing I've never skimped on for street riding and dont plan to for track riding either.
why are you only looking at the shinko slicks? The Power One and Power Race are street legal tires, right? The Shinko 003 (I think) is a nice street legal tire that has an ultra soft version. Again though, not sure about use for track purposes.
i dont ride this bike on the street much let alone in the rain i have gotten caught in the rain and the power ones as good as they are .... they are scary when the water hits the pavement!the truth is i am moving up to running slicks only now i have progressively gotten better and faster and im just looking for that little more grip or tolerances that a slick provides! i did not expect to get that result from the shinko however if i could have proven they would be great for a novice that would have proved something so for now i am just going to run my michelins as i always have and maybe soon step to michelins slicks as soon as funds come available!
If you're able to outride the grip that a power one provides and need to use slicks, you belong in MotoGP, because you're a better rider than pretty much everyone here, including Helea. let me tell you something: Pilot Powers, yes plain ol' Pilot Powers are great tires for Novices and this just in: they are also great tires for Intermediates, too. Any rider in those two groups that believes that they need more than what a street tire provides, needs to seriously focus on learning how to ride better, because it ain't the tires. It's the connection between the brain and the right hand that need to be upgraded. We have lots of coaches that are capable of putting down faster times on these tires than most riders are capable of achieving on the finest race rubber. After you've broken into Mid-pack A-group, then you might wanna consider using DOT Race tires from a reputable manufacturer, Like Michelin, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Continental or Dunlop, as well as a set of tire warmers, preferably American-made ones like Chicken Hawk or Woodcraft. In the mean time, slow down, speedy; you don't need slicks. FWIW, unless you're buying top-of-the-line Michelin race slicks, the slicks that you're most likely going to buy are not any better than power ones.
Lance - I ran the 2CT's last year on my 600 and didn't have any issues running a mid-pack advanced pace. Since I don't have an extra set of wheels, I've chosen to stick with a street tire for two reason - cost and in case of any wet weather. I'm going to use the Pure's this year. I thought about getting slicks but I don't know that I need them. Thoughts or suggestions? Darren
I agree with the guys, especially at novice or intermediate level. there should be no reason for slicks. I'd submit that a 2CT would be perfectly fine for those speeds. I've got to think that the Shinko slicks would do you fine as well at those levels too, for that matter. Heck, my first time at the track I ran Shinko 005s and they held just fine. After two track days on them they started sliding on me though. I'm not sure if it's because I progressed in my speeds, or the make-up of the tires gave out. I understand wanting to be confident in your tires though. I don't know that it makes a difference with the bike, but certainly does mentally.