BY NO MEANS HAVE I EVER SAID I WAS FAST NOR MOTO GP FAST!!! if its my opinion now this is just my opinion that i can get a set of michelin slicks for cheaper than a set of power ones why would you not run the slicks? im not a rocket scientist but if i dont ride this bike on the road only on the track wouldnt that make sense to do? i never said i outgrew my power ones i just said i was looking for a different alternative to the powerones and maybe go cheaper than michelin slicks also? Did i belive i would achieve this with the shinko's well since no one asked ill tell you... NO I DID NOT... i belived that i would prove that i could put down the same lap times as my power ones and that these tires would have been a great cheap route for people getting into this sport ... now that the test FAILED.... i dont care anymore! im not a small man so if your around my size or weight maybe you can understand that traction is always on my mind at every apex and every turn of the throttle! i do run in a group but in the beginning of the season i start off in b group or "intermediate" just to get in the grove again so i figured if i was going to test these tires the first few track days of the season would be nice! either way i appreciate the opinions but no need to accuse me of not knowing how to ride or to post your ego on here just to make yourself feel big ... see im humble i know im not the fastest guy in the group or on here for that matter but it seems like there maybe SOME KIND OF A POWER STRUGGLE for that anyway! [/img]
hey heala i agree with the tire pressures i should have never stated that they would be the same pressures at all the truth is and we all know this i would adjust the tires pressures as i see fit! its not like you just set the tire pressures and forget about it your always checking it or at least i hope you are and i actually check the tire temp as well which i know this does not mean much but it does give you an idea up or down on the psi! initially i was going to step into intermediate or novice just to get a feel for these tires because the truth is i was not going to trust these tires in turn one fresh out of the box at 120mph not going to happen! so i wanted to feel the bike and the tires first and move up as needed or pull them off and throw on my mich's and call it a day! i understand your concern for safety also so thank you i had this all planned out!The eason why i see fit to do a review because pro racers are not purchasing these tires novice track riders are and i wanted to put a review with all the info i could provide!
Geez...do you not know ANYTHING about riding? :wink: One question to consider is longevity of the tire in questtion. If you're having to replace a tire more frequently because it wears out quicker, then in the long run it's not less money out the door. This applies to slicks or anything regardless of brand. I don't have enough experience on the track to know what lasts more than others, but perception is that slicks get worn out quicker. Sorry to kinda hijack the thread, but do you guys with more hours in have any perceptions about how long various tires or brands last?
DAVE .....i do not have personal experiance with slicks so i cant vouch for how long they last! but a power one combo med soft normally last me front 3 track days tops and rear two track days tops some people are pulling more than that out of them.... SO if a michelin slick combo will last me front and rear two track days which in my opinion they should... its still cost effective! HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
very well put healea i agree ... however my test would have not been done properly it could have given some idea rather than no reviews on these tires... i agree that i could have given misleading info that could have gotten someone hurt so you are correct all i could do is tell them exactly what i did and let the people make there own choice so i was not questioning your opinion there at all it seems you have your head in the right place! i too would not recommend any no name or cheaply made tire to anyone beginning in this sport i was only hoping that the tires would be a huge surprise and hold up to my normal track experiances and let people decide to run them or not but being that these tires were in my opinion not even designed for the track AT LEAST WE FOUND THAT OUT... LOL so this was not a complete waste of time!
Thanks for the fact checking. FWIW, I never meant to imply that the tires manufacturers were on the same level in terms of quality, but that any of them would be far better than Shinko's, which are very simply not safe for any rider on a road track.
Dubba-Bubba, I was perhaps a bit dickish, and I sincerely apologize. However, You were planning to do a number of questionable things, which brian has already pointed out. despite the fact that you had heard poor feedback on these tires, there is even more negative feedback is available here on this forum & elsewhere and despite recommendations from Brian and myself that you were putting yourself and others at great risk, you were determined to try and prove all of the previously accumulated knowledge wrong, single-handedly. I had to do something to get your attention, because you might have gotten yourself or someone else seriously hurt. I am glad that you came to your senses and are sending those tires back. That was compassion, not ego- ego is ignoring contrary evidence and deciding that you can prove everyone wrong. Ego can get you hurt, badly. I don't want to see anyone hurt, especially you. Being that I am quite a bit larger than most, I can understand your desire for more traction. However, after seeing fellow STT Coaches like Todd Thomas & Dennis Baker fly by me like I wasn't moving (never mind Bavol on shagged-out take-offs), running standard Pilot Powers & I'm on DOT race tires, I've come to this conclusion: I don't need more traction, I've got more than I know how to use- I need to become a better rider. That's something to think about. I've seen plenty of faster intermediate and new to Advanced group riders think that they just need better tires and they'll be able to go faster- they just need more traction. With the added traction that DOT Race rubber provides, they do indeed go faster, to a point, but in the end they're using that traction as a crutch, covering up bad habits with extra grip. But unless those bad habits are addressed, they're eventually going to crash again, only this time, they'll be going a lot faster or with the added confidence that a race tire can give, they might make riskier maneuvers, putting other riders at risk. There is no tire so sticky and grippy that it will cure stupid. I've learned this the hard way. Please be careful. I also understand the need to save money- this is an expensive sport and bikes, gear, gas, parts and tires all cost a shitload of $$$. You're not going to find many better deals on tires, especially Michelin tires, than the deals that Monte offers. I'f you don't like Michelins, there are other deals on other brands out there. Please recognize the difference between a good deal and a cheap tire- stick with proven brands, talk to other riders about what they're using and ask STT coaches for their input- not everyone of us use Michelins and you can get some good, honest and forthright information, all you need to do is ask. As for the Pilot 1200/1800 TD slicks that are currently on sale? excellent tires. I have a pair on my bike right now. They've got 5 coaching days on them & I could probably get a few more days, but I will most likely switch before the season starts. Dub, I admire your enthusiasm, but please, be careful.
Dub, I appologize if I offended you in any way. I was only kidding you about the knowing anything part, only because of the previous post. No offense intended. And I was only asking the question in general. I totally understand where you were coming from with the cost thing. Other than gas, tires are probably the single most costly thing about riding motorcycles (although that statement could probably start a new debate!), and I usually look at tires from an expense perspective instead of a quality issue. My perspective comes from street riding and for that, I believe any reasonable tire is fine. Most people on the street seem to get into big debates about how good one tire or another is. In reality, for what people should expect in street riding, ANY tire will serve them fine. An example of that is my running shinko 005s. They aren't a great choice for the track, but for street riding, they do everything needed (just my opinion). So, my question was intended toward the idea of running slicks or an agressive street tire, which would provide longer wear on the track, and how the cost/wear comparison might factor into track-day tire choices. Again, sorry if my comments offended you. Dave
DAVE your comments did not offend me in anyway! no worries buddy! :mrgreen: the truth be said i actually run 190's and the mich 190 is barely if ever on sale i never had a problem with any of my tires on the track and to tell you the truth the tires are never my concern but more a piece of mind kinda thing but i never have tried slicks so if anything i want to know if there is that big of a difference i would like to know that first hand! hell i was running in the teens at putnam on power 2cts and once i went to the 190 the bike just felt even better so the more i can change it the better and if i make it worst i can always go back ! CANT WAIT FOR THIS SEASON!!! HOPEFULLY A GOOD ONE!!!
sometimes my quick wit and dry humor is missed by people. I just don't understand that. :lol: Anyway...if it makes you jealous, I'm leaving for Roebling today at 1 PM. I'm not taking the shinkos this time though. I got the Power One, Power Race sale combination from sportbiketrackgear over the winter, so I'm anxious to see how they do covering up my otherwise bad form!
Return them if you can, or put them on ebay and sell them, but I certainly wouldn't recommend them for the track. .... __________________________________________ coach outlet|Coach Handbags|Coach Bags
Jesus, does ANYONE use punctuation anymore??? FWIW: I wholeheartedly agree with Brian and Lance on this one. Tires are not an area to go cheap on. The cost advantage and known performance of the Powers FAR exceeds the risk of the shinko. I continue to be impressed with the Pilot Powers. It is just silly what can be accomplished on them. Shinko's? Well, I wouldnt run them on a wagon. Bottom line is simple: You get what you pay for.