It was 129photos there taking pictures wasn't it? I just looked on their site and didn't see anything yet.
That's correct. It usually take them a day or two to get all the photos uploaded and available. Be patient, they are dealing with several thousand photos that all have to be sorted and placed in the correct locations.
So here's video of how not to pass someone. It was a case of 1000cc syndrome and I guess Yamaha needs to call this dude with a contract. Basically, the line from turn 9 on exit is from the outside rumble strip to the rumble strip along the outside wall before turning into the apex of 10. (deception) Well this dude on a 1000cc bike pulled me on the drive coming out of 9 and ran up the left side of me going into 10. When he showed a fender driving up the left side he pushed me off my line. If he didn't show a fender when he did I would of pushed him into the rumble strip because the line going into that turn requires having the bike right on the edge of track left. Then he preceded to cut across mine line causing me to brake scrubbing 30 mph or I would of hit him. Now yes I agree, he had his front wheel in front of me before turning in and under race conditions it would of been his line to take but at a track day? It was a dickish pass.
I have to agree, looks like a clean pass to me, especially in the "A" group. And after reading your description above the video link, had you NOT chopped that 30 MPH or so off of your entry into deception, I'm pretty sure that you would have run wide over the rumble strip and into the runoff area on the left side of the track coming out of deception. Obviously I wasn't there to see it, but the video sure makes it appear to be a clean pass.
I can't speak as to whether it was clean or not as it is very hard to see from that camera angle. That is NOT the spot I would want anyone to pass me or would I recommend trying a pass there
I will offer some advice, grab second gear going into that turn and he wouldn't have pulled you coming out.
He was over 3 feet away from you.... It was a clean pass for sure... Sounds like you just got spooked... Hang in there Josh and ride your own ride... Honestly you should put the GoPro away for awhile as well as the lap timer and just focus on the fun...
Agreed, second gear is preferred if I was attempting to a quick laptime, given that we had water in two spots I wasn't really pushing for a personal record laptime and just kept it in third there. Yea, given that him coming up on my left pushed me right a few feet off the line, my line through the turn would of pushed toward the rumble strip but wouldn't of required braking as much as I did. I guess I agree it counts as a clean pass because ultimately he had his wheel infront of mine before tipping in but the point was him driving up on my left pushed me off mine line and then he followed it with crossing in front of me across my line causing me to overly brake to avoid hitting him. In race conditions it was fair/clean. At a track day you should never force someone to alter their line just to get by someone. He made me alter my line twice within 3-5 seconds.
Didn't use a laptimer my last 3 track days. I like video. It gives me something to look at until my next track day. Plus if I ever wrecked I'd love to have it on video to show all my friends so we can laugh about it. Lol
I agree with that to some extent, but it would depend on how fast or slow the rider in front went into the corner, his line through that corner, and how wide he runs on corner exit. I have passed people several times coming out of that same slow left hand corner. Most of the time I will trail brake hard into that corner and then "V" that one and get a really great drive out of there. If the person in front of me uses a more "traditional" line, it is very easy to drive right past them on the gas, almost straight up and down, while they are still leaned over and exiting the corner that they've run fairly wide. Two equal riders running the same line........NOT a great place to try and pass.
You should ALWAYS be in the same gear regardless of your intentions on a laptime, consistency comes from repetition and execution of the basics. The only reason for being in a different gear is if you are purposely experimenting with a different technique. It was a clean pass, you simply got spooked, sorry but that is what happened, if you hadn't initially overreacted to him being there you could have easily corrected your line, at the worst you simply had to delay your move to the left a split second, the second correction was simply a side effect of getting spooked. I hate to be harsh here but if you can't handle that pass you will have problems when someone comes by you close. At a track like Barber it's not unheard of for a pro-level racer to be out in the A group and they will come by you cleanly but maybe only 6 inches from you. Yes, you are correct that passes should be clean, if he had stuffed you on corner entry and you had to change your line then you would be 100% correct it was a bad pass. Don't take this as I'm chewing you out or trying to be an ass, you progressed in speed quickly and as a side effect you didn't have time to develop some of the other skills that it takes to be a fully rounded A rider (that comes with time). You HAVE to ramp up your situational awareness, I can count on one hand with fingers left over the number of times I haven't been aware a bike was coming up behind me.
For some reason maybe the problem I have with the pass isn't the portion of the pass that you all are thinking I'm talking about. Notice in this picture below where his bike is. That's where you have to be to set up for that following turn. My problem is as I was going from the rumble strip on the right side of the previous corners exit to the spot he is in this picture he drove up in between me pushing me off my line. Which should never happen at a track day. He made me change my line. If he didn't show his front wheel when he did I was continuing my drive towards that curve on the left hand side and it would of resulted in either him hitting me or him getting ran off into the grass. Isn't it who ever has the lead wheels into a turn controls the line? He showed a wheel and pushed me off where I was going about 30 feet before tipping in the turn. Notice where he's at, that's where I was going until he showed a front wheel and force me from continuing to go right towards the curbing. If I kept going left towards the curbing and I didn't see him I would of hit him or pushed him into the grass. That's my problem with this pass. It wasn't smart. It does look like a R6. Before he popped up I was aiming for the last 3 stripes of this curb on the left. Which would of gave him nowhere to go. 56 MPH apex speed. Being pushed over right 3 feet moved my line wider on corner exit but when his line crossed infront of my line I had to chop 18 mph more off my apex speed to avoid his line. Same corner the next lap with a 18 mph faster apex speed. I'm done talking about it though. I felt it was a shitty pass. Maybe my inexperience spooked me or maybe I knew where I was going and realized that if I went there without knowing he was there I would of either hit him or ran him off the track. I run right against that curbing, it would of left him zero room. I have over 1000 miles on this track, it's not like I didn't know the correct line or was riding a non-typical line. I guess I'll work on getting used to riding with rossi wanna-bes and realize getting pushed off your line is bound to happen. I personally would of never passed someone in that spot at a track day. It was a risky pass.
If he didn't pop up in my view and push me off my line where would he of gone assuming he was driving up the left side of my bike? I guess in the grass? At 1:15 in my video he forced me to alter my line, that's the whole point. I don't care so much about the second part of him crossing my line and me having to scrub 18 mph more off the apex. It was the fact that if I continued my line I would of drove him into the grass or hit him if he didn't show his front wheel when he did. 1-2 seconds later of not seeing him someone would of touched, went down, or into the grass. This wasn't "playing nice". Screen cap of me being followed, I'm right on the last 3 strips of the curbing like I said, where would he have gone?! I think screen caps of 5 laps in a row of me entering that turn proves he pushed me off my line and he would of had nowhere to go if he didn't show a front wheel and drive me out of the way when he did.
maybe it's the only place he had to go when he came ripping off the corner and found you parked, bogging your bike around? Maybe he's fussing to his friends about how he was having a blast following you around then track and then suddenly you let up and he had to go around you on the outside? learn from it and let it go! You've already wasted a pile of energy on a clean pass.
Track day .. advanced group .. you can go back and forth between the two and what's "fair", but it is the advanced group for a reason. There are Rossi wanna-be's in every group.
Clean pass by a long shot. He was probably thinking, thank god I finally got by this guy. You know by posting video you leave yourself open to constructive criticism. By watching the video, had I been behind you, I would have been thinking, where the hell is this guy going and how can I get around him quickly. Your lines are not consistent, you are a mile off apexes at some turns and slightly closer in others. Get with someone you know or trust and go over the track turn by turn.
Josh, It's hard to tell distance with a gopro. But the pass was clean. Welcome to A...It wasn't a literbike, or you'd have said goodbye when he got to the front straight...Steve P is correct. Take it as a learning experience.
I don't set the lap records in the A group and I'm on a stock literbike. I was running 2:05s last weekend at NCM. (Awesome time there, everybody, thanks!) I was pussyfooting past the sound meter after getting flagged for noise in the first session and taking it pretty easy crossing the greasy weeper. (With stock motor, I don't think my bike is that loud, but there was another bike with almost the same number as me, with the same coloring and close to the same number, and his WAS loud... but I played it quiet past the sound meter for the rest of the weekend to be safe.) Maybe it's the fact that I'm 200 pounds in leathers, but there are 600s and 750s that pull me on those straights. Several times, there are guys that leave me on those straights, so the braking zones find me running up on them really fast. I don't mean to alter anyone's line, but if I'm coming into the braking zone a lot faster than you, I think it's going to feel like I'm altering your line when I get there just before you do. It's not me in the video, but I do remember a lot of guys that were blasting down the front straight and then going painfully slow into the chicane. After somebody does that to me a few times, I start looking for 'trackday polite' places to pass, but at some point it may be a closer pass than the one in the video. I'm nowhere near consistent as I want to be, but it doesn't look to me like the guy was trying to put a dirty pass on you... even if it felt that way.