I really don't understand. You guys are always going "moto track people are so nice and treat everyone like family and they're so laid back". I have yet to see that. I crashed my bike following an instructor, get yelled at by some random rider who wasn't even involved or nearby. People throw fits at the race track because they broke a part or something. It seems very high stress and that since I started tracking and used to have a good attitude toward this community, everyone just seems to want to tear you down. Makes no sense, I really really don't get it. Now you're saying "oh, you haven't had a good experience here? I will do what I can to make it worse!" It's so ridiculous that this is beginning to become funny to me lol
I'm not sure where you came from, but personally coming from the auto racing scene, STT events have the friendliest people I've seen. I always have an awesome time.
Tell me Steve, when someone offends one of your family members or friends (assuming you have friends who stick around), how do you react?
This is what I'm talking about. Why not say something constructive? I apologized. I was frustrated at my prior experiences and posted on here with that at the forefront of my mind. What more? It just seems to me that everyone here enjoys making somebody's bad experience worse. Why? Makes no sense lol, it's childish
You did. And then you repeated what you previously apologized for: "I really don't understand. You guys are always going "moto track people are so nice and treat everyone like family and they're so laid back". I have yet to see that. I crashed my bike following an instructor, get yelled at by some random rider who wasn't even involved or nearby. People throw fits at the race track because they broke a part or something. It seems very high stress and that since I started tracking and used to have a good attitude toward this community, everyone just seems to want to tear you down. Makes no sense, I really really don't get it. Now you're saying "oh, you haven't had a good experience here? I will do what I can to make it worse!"" You don't go busting down the door with comments like the ones you've given and expect to be welcomed in/back with open arms. True friends and family stick together. And something tells me that even after some of the ignorant things you've said, with some sincere apologies and honest self-reflection, some of these people would be willing to forgive you and accept a better version of your present self. When so many people push against you, you have to stop and question who is really wrong....
I do not apologize for having had less than stellar experiences at the track. Not one bit. What you just quoted from me was mere statement of fact; I do not see what you see. I don't see why I would be sorry that I got yelled at for crashing my bike like I did it on purpose. I also wouldn't be sorry that other people choose to get so angry about a thing that should be done for relaxation. It's just not a community that I fit into.. So be it. I apologize for posting rudely on the first page.
Steve, I am wondering what was said (yelled at for crashing ) to you. When I crashed at Barber in April nobody yelled at me, maybe I was lucky or maybe you were doing something on or off he track that is not considered acceptable in the track community. I speak from experience when I say "if you are cocky and think you are a great rider nobody wants to hear you brag" in this community actions speak volumes. In the beginning I bragged about how many street miles I had, but I can assure you there were people that did not care to hear how great a rider I thought I was. They wanted and I have since taken what they have told me and looked in the mirror to see that I still had a TON to learn and I am 48 years old. All that being said, I cannot believe that someone would yell at you for just crashing. Now if you were breaking rules that are in place to allow everyone to be on the track safely you will have the answer to why you were yelled at. Without any of us being there all this is just speculation though. So what was said to you when you crashed. Inquiring minds want to know??
I crashed at blackhawk and the guy pitted next to me asked what happened and when I told him he just acted super frustrated and told me that I made the wrong choice in trying to not crash when the rear wheel slid out. I wasn't close to anyone else, I was following an instructor. It's ok if someone has pointers but he was being a jerk to me about it and freaking out. I realize that I crashed, maybe it would have been better for me to just crash on purpose at the first sign of a slide, maybe it wouldn't have. I'm 23 years old i don't need someone to get pissed at me for wrecking my bike, I'm capable of doing that myself. But I came out unharmed and I feel that's what's important. I don't feel at all that I'm super fast or anything because I'm not. Like I said, I want to go to have fun, not get all stressed out and split hairs over the fact that I'm not valentino Rossi. I don't need to go surround myself with people who are acting like that on my time off. If prefer to be by people who want to de stress Paul, you were there when that happened, you know who it was and afterward you agreed that his reaction was uncalled for. I don't feel the need to bring up any names though because I'm not trying to point fingers.
I already said that I'm pretty turned off to the track riding community as a whole. I never cited this incident as a reason for not feeling compelled to return to STT specifically. The same people go to all the events so I don't really feel I fit with the entire community as a whole.
Steve, I'm not trying to bust your balls, as I think you already took care of that yourself. This all started after your very first post when you said you were "forced" to accept a credit. Two other members were only trying to point out that other organizations would have most likely told you to "pound sand" and then you BLEW up on them and felt STT "stole" your money. If you would have just said, "yeah, your right, at least they are trying to work with me", you probably would be holding your 400 bucks as we speak. I also understand that you've had a less than stellar experience because YOU crashed. I don't see why any other rider would have "yelled" at you. Even if, you made a serious mistake and almost took them out, they clearly saved it and would probably see your crashing as punishment enough. I've crashed twice and not only did nobody "yell" at me, other riders, asked if I was ok, offered to help get my bike fixed to get me back out there, etc. I have never had a negative experience with STT and the other riders. Lastly, yes you did apologize, but I think it's falling on deaf ears for two very obvious reasons: 1) You insulted the organization and/or family, if you will, that we show support to, with our money, time, and dedication. Many, if not all of the members would be unwilling to forgive that. 2) As I'm sure many feel the same way as I do, I think your apology is only a means to an end. I feel like once you've sold your credit, had money in hand, the entire STT organization, including all it's dedicated staff, members, etc would get a BIG OLD F**K YOU. Maybe I'm wrong, but part of my career is based on "reading people" and that's what I have taken from the content of your posts. I am sorry, to an extent, that you may be stuck with your credit, unless somebody just buys it to get rid of you. My suggestion would be to sit on it for a while, let everybody get over this thread and then try again in a few months. You've spent the money with intent of using the days, so I can't see that you are hard up for it.
Please actually read what I'm saying and understand it if you want to interject. All I wanted to do was sell a credit lol. Can we finish this so I can just do that?
This topic is all over the place, I wasn't sure if you were refering to blackhawk or acc last september
I feel bad you had a negative experience with another organization. Have you ever ridden a STT day? I think if you haven't you should sit on your credit and give it a try when you're healed up. Ive met people that are the type you describe and let me tell you they are not the STT regulars. There's a reason I only ride with STT. The people are really of a higher caliber. So before you lump all trackday riders together, get to know some of the STT folks, take the advice you're being offered, and cut STT some slack since it wasn't even their event you crashed at.